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To be leaking, slipping internal campaign polling to a foreign intelligence asset like kilimnik. >> right. >> but what the polling data is, we don't know. was it really sensitive, highly targeted stuff? >> okay. >> or was it simply, you know, basic public polling data that you could read on real clear politics? >> i'm short on time. i got to get the other folks in here. >> right. sure. >> steve, listen, you say the focus needs to be on oleg deripaska. so first remind our viewers who that is and why his relationship with manafort is so key here. >> so briefly, this perhaps need not be as comple...

Interrogation in any form or fashion. i think they're flexing this power now given the timing of everything, given the fact that they know that rod rosenstein is going to be moving on, and of course that bill barr wanted to have his own deputy in place, and the fact that barr already has said very, very loudly that he doesn't believe that mueller is within his bounds to be able to do so. but of course this all presumes that barr will be confirmed and he will not be asked to recuse because of that very memo. >> steve, going back to what rudy giuliani said to reuters, if he's saying they think, ...

Has said very, very loudly that he doesn't believe that mueller is within his bounds to be able to do so. but of course this all presumes that barr will be confirmed and he will not be asked to recuse because of that very memo. >> steve, going back to what rudy giuliani said to reuters, if he's saying they think, quote, everything is over, i mean, is that what he's saying? it looks like he may be right, though. >> you know, don, i can't see how this is all going to be over that quickly. the ramifications are going to be significant. and, again, i'll defer to those who are better about the lega...

Oligarchs. we just don't -- we can say for sure a couple things. number one, it's improper on its face for the campaign chairman to be leaking, slipping internal campaign polling to a foreign intelligence asset like kilimnik. >> right. >> but what the polling data is, we don't know. was it really sensitive, highly targeted stuff? >> okay. >> or was it simply, you know, basic public polling data that you could read on real clear politics? >> i'm short on time. i got to get the other folks in here. >> right. sure. >> steve, listen, you say the focus needs to be on oleg deripaska. so first remind...

He says. so the information that paul manafort got back to the russians, whether it was some convoluted route through ukraine and the oligarchs there, whether it was through mr. kilimnik, it all went back to an oligarch, probably deripaska. but most importantly it got back to putin, who then could use it as part of his influence operation. whether that's illegal, i'll dev defer to laura and others. but it's definitely a c.i. problem that needs to be looked into. there's all kinds of things the russians could have done with that campaign information. >> we talked to seven people who have either...