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Are a number of factions that operate there. some of them are certainly pro al qaeda. some are them are certainly pro isis. but i think the bigger picture is both groups have been really competing for recognition and to reassert their power in that part of the world, especially that it goes through rest of time today. we see the case in libya, where it was majorly proal qaeda, and now we see domination from isis, and isis trying to expand in areas that have some lawlessness and less than adequate governance. so i think north mali would be an ideal spot for isis to expand, given the situation t...

Therefore i will infer they are sympathetic to the cause. there are many reasons lawyers can accept very unpopular people. i don't like the positions they have taken, i deplore them but i would not want to jump to the conclusion somebody let's say who represented a given al-qaeda detainee is proal-qaeda and sympathetic to al-qaeda. >> brian: you point out being a lawyer it is different than adversialary arenas. lawyers may fight on points of the law but that doesn't mean -- they disagree but aren't necessarily disagreeable. >> it is difficult to a lawyer subjected to that kind of inquiry to di...