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That was proven beyond a reasonable doubt as to his boss. >> speaking of that case, the next step for the former president is to meet with a probation officer, who will sort of take his temperature, find out about his life experiences, see if he has any other cases open against him. judge merchan granted todd blanche permission to attend his presentence interview. i guess the probation interview is not mandatory, usually they do it. what do you see happening here? >> this is one where i am not sure if you are a defense lawyer here, you kind of don't want your client to talk, because that is br...

Pre-sentence report and the probation officer is tasked with doing this. so one major section in a probation report is a statement from the defendant so that's a big one and that's the time where the defendant can talk about the crime and talk about remorse and contrition. that's what june finally, they want to do when they want to get a favorable or lenient sentence from the judge. this is a whole different can of worms here so it's going to be very interesting what donald trump says at this probation interview. his lawyer may instruct him to say nothing at all. >> why? >> well, one is becaus...