That was proven beyond a reasonable doubt as to his boss. >> speaking of that case, the next step for the former president is to meet with a probation officer, who will sort of take his temperature, find out about his life experiences, see if he has any other cases open against him. judge merchan granted todd blanche permission to attend his presentence interview. i guess the probation interview is not mandatory, usually they do it. what do you see happening here? >> this is one where i am not sure if you are a defense lawyer here, you kind of don't want your client to talk, because that is brought, and on the other hand, if he doesn't talk, that is fraught because it is considered contemptuous and the judge can use that as an adverse inference in terms of what he would say. but, you know, it is hard to see that donald trump would come off terribly well. i suspect that most of the talking will be done by his