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And zelenskyy continues to be a huge force. look, i am looking forward to biden's message in europe. for instance, i can't explain why are we giving -- why aren't we doing more to close down the airspace, and they say it's because we don't want to be involved and we are giving javelins and we are already involved and what is the distinction between those two things. >> i hear you on that, and i am luckily to have betsy here, and i want to ask you about your other beat before we run out of time and i don't have time to play the clip, and liz cheney talked about a big presentation, and you have ...

Specific criminal statute there, jen. could this probe result in criminal charges based on trump's inaction or others' inaction? >> well, the first question, ana, is will it result in a referral from congress for criminal action? that's the first step, and i think the answer is yes. she really was reading effectively the language from the applicable statute, and if they find that donald trump in fact was responsible for this march to the capitol that ended up obstructing an official proceeding, then they may make that referral to doj. now whether doj actually charges that is another huge quest...