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January 6th committee's investigation. and she joins me now. betsy, can you give me a little background i guess on the clark situation? a little different than bannon for a few different reasons. a more colorable claim to privilege. and he did show up. he didn't just blow them off. what can you tell us about the committee's deliberations about arriving at this recommendation? >> the biggest problem for clark, which is a problem bannon actually didn't have, is that even though trump would have had firmer ground to assert executive privilege as it relates to clark, trump didn't actually do that....

Divinities -- arriving at his recommendation? >> the biggest problem for clark, which is a problem bannon actually didn't have. even though trump would've had a firm ground to assert executive privilege, as it relates to clark. trump didn't actually do that. trump ghosted clark. the last communication that trump's legal team said to jeffrey clark, according to clark himself, was on august 2nd of this year. in cajun, trump said he would not go to court to block clark from talking to congressional investigators. that's forward to mid october, the select committee issues a subpoena saying clark h...

Or what extent trump was talking about? it's exactly the purpose of this other undertaking. the congressional oversight of this attempt cues so important. and it's why the information has been brought to life, to be confirmed and brought to the public's attention. because the threats not going away. trump is likely to run for president again 2024. and the american probably get deserves to know exactly how close he came to pulling it off! to dismantling the american democracy in his last days in power! that's why just wants the not political should be covering the developments is january 6th, s...

>> right, was carefully coalescing something that had been laid in the actual groundwork of diplomacy of treaty of soft power where this feels a little bit more like desperately seeking a theme party. oh, well, let's pick this anniversary date. let's get the right decorations. this is not a joke. >> that's true. >> you mentioned as well, you said mustacheoed. >> how'd you pronounce it? mustacheoed warmonger? you want to get into the mustache i take it. >> this guy, he's always been caricatured as yosemite sam. >> unfair to yosemite sam who's known to deal more in soft power, but the president ...

Him? probably. but was he influential on this president? absolutely. there were times the president would send a tweet, give a statement, you could tell it was from steve bannon, you could feel it, the same way it was from jared kushner, but without trump, steve bannon is learning that his influence fades quickly, and this could be really, this is more perilous to him than the president. the president will still have his base. >> it's a mistake to say the president has no principles or policies. the president has the classic populist historian politics. people outside the country are screwing ...