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Are there more tapes? >> i don't know the answer to that. i do have heard that tape. that tape is pretty compelling, that mr. trump was aware of the hush money plan. he may argue it was motivated by protecting his wife but two weeks before an election, all witnesses are saying it was motivated about hush iing up an corrupting the outcome of an election. in my view that's a conclusion that a jury could draw. >> okay. there's something else that michael cohen may or may not know something about. there was confusion about this earlier in the year. i would like you to clarify, now that you can spe...

They're on the defensive. >> she's so far down the rung in power on the white house and the president needs to be the leader on moral issues, that's more important part of his role than leading policy because he thinks he can say and do and tweet about it and he has no problem doing. it seems like he always sides with the abuser or the accused abuser. when does he make statements on the other side? when does he say, look, there's multiple allegations, this person should go. i'm sorry my staff doesn't been it. steve: tomi, the supporters -- >> i think we can all agree, i think that the presiden...

Are better at finding the needles? >> have to first of all find people that speak the language. and then trying to speak irdu and pashtu and others. you have to find people that speak the language, understand the culture, which they always had a problem doing. and then engineers and computer experts to sift through the data. i think it is a fallacy to think this is going to solve a big problem with terrorism by -- >> even though mike rogers, chairman of the house intelligence committee, says one attack was thwarted. you say it's not helping. >> i would like to hear the details about the attack...

>> yes. i have to limit those things very carefully. >> reporter: the everyday emotional moments that most of us cherish are land mines to matt. the walls of their oregon home are nearly bare. only a few family pictures remain. but mostly out of sight. it can be a hellish existence. we witness how even the simplest things become threatening for matt. like the new dog trish got so she'd have somewhere to express her love. >> i want someone to play with, yeah. >> reporter: there are two things matt has no problem doing. one, surprisingly, is driving. it helps him focus and stay awake. >> as long...

That you have to avoid? >> yes. i have to limit those things very carefully. >> reporter: the everyday emotional moments that most of us cherish are land mines to matt. the walls of their oregon home are nearly bare. only a few family pictures remain. but mostly out of sight. it can be a hellish existence. we witness how even the simplest things become threatening for matt. like the new dog trish got so she'd have somewhere to express her love. >> i want someone to play with, yeah. >> reporter: there are two things matt has no problem doing. one, surprisingly, is driving. it helps him focus an...