are better at finding the needles? >> have to first of all find people that speak the language. and then trying to speak irdu and pashtu and others. you have to find people that speak the language, understand the culture, which they always had a problem doing. and then engineers and computer experts to sift through the data. i think it is a fallacy to think this is going to solve a big problem with terrorism by -- >> even though mike rogers, chairman of the house intelligence committee, says one attack was thwarted. you say it's not helping. >> i would like to hear the details about the attack that was thwarted. they seem to ballyhoo every time they have a terrorist success. i didn't hear anything about this. and if that's all you this is one success and all these failures, i don't know. if that was a company, i think that company would be out of business at this point.