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Reach down. you don't even stretch. you reach down and turn it off. you know, i don't hold any credence in those arguments. >> you know, we don't often -- it is rare we talk about plane crashes of this magnitude, which is a very good thing, of course, given the safety procedures that are in place, but i think there are a lot of folks flying this morning who see this, they're looking at the images, and they're going, oh. do you think passengers should be concerned? what would you say to reassure folks who are about to get on one of these planes here in this country? >> i think here in the unite...

If this plane was taken down intentionally or by mistake, as some kind of connection in the military conflict, i think that would make the situation that much worse? >> of course. it would completely inflame the situation. you have to realize that what's been happening over the last few months, of course, is the intense iffying of violence there. i was in the area of donestk, one of the areas where the plane is believed to have actually crashed and this is an area that is constantly being contested by russian -- by separatists who want to join russia and by the ukrainian forces trying to maint...

In the putt -- butt by going to other rallies including by jesse jackson. >>guest: my title officially is "pain in the butt." i went to his rally. >>neil: you took video. you are not that bad with the camera. >>guest: pretty good. >>neil: so you took and how many shows up? >>guest: i thought we would have huge fire work, and 60 people, and here was the most remarkable thing. boring. jesse jackson of all the thing i could describe i never thought he was boring. he was not enthusiastic. >>neil: how many were at the rally? >>guest: 60 people. a point where i panned to the crowd and there were 60 ...