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And integrity or choice. we're not even talking about that. >> dylan, if you and i have a disagreement i would say it is only one of emphasis or a degree not a fundamental disagreement with what you are saying. i don't think we're living in some kind of athenian democracy or having some kind of a dialogue. clearly we're not. politics has always been a rough and tumble business. we've never had that sort of pure ideal. i do think the process right now, the debate right now is distorted. it's distorted by some of the things that you mentioned. i'd say it's distorted even more by political and me...