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Them at this point. they describe their work as in the trenches with each other. i do think that one of the obstacles for this crew now will be dealing with a president who is obviously very frustrated with the ongoing investigation and also who appears to be visibly trying to distance himself from michael cohen. i think as michael cohen's legal problems mount, there's a growing distance there, and i think, you know, for white house aides, i think managing that -- managing his tendency to sort of go back and forth on cohen, i think last week he was encouraging him to stay strong on twitter, an...

How can we get him to corporate. statutes like this are important as a lever to cooperation. because he has this problem and because he had a security clearance that apparently he didn't tell the truth on he has a false statements problem. as the problems mount for him, that increases the chances that a prosecutor can approach him and try to get some form of cooperation. especially if they can convince him, a, that it's in his interests and, b, that the trump people are hanging him out to dry. so -- >> right. >> just the black and white of it is not that important. i will say this about some o...

With the ongoing investigation and also who appears to be visibly trying to distance himself from michael cohen. i think as michael cohen's legal problems mount, there's a growing distance there, and i think, you know, for white house aides, i think managing that -- managing his tendency to sort of go back and forth on cohen, i think last week he was encouraging him to stay strong on twitter, and yesterday it was stupid question. and then it was i barely know the guy on "fox & friends." so i think for the west wing aides, just knowing which end is up is often a problem. >> catherine, now it ca...