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Midterm elections that impeachment and immigration is what is going to motivate republican voters to come out and support him. i think he's bringing that up as a way to protect himself. >> and it is the bill clinton example. i mean, bill clinton turned impeachment into a partisan battle between democrats and republicans that benefitted him. that's, i think, what he wants to do in this case. i'm not sure this is the best way to pursue that goal, but that's his strategy. >> in a weird way, the more he talks about it, the more inevitable it comes across. >> and it's also more -- the media talks a...

We're going to get to impeachment later. are you at all concerned at how they managed the shutdown? >> so far now. i think they did the responsible thing. they brought two bills that senate republicans have voted on and passed, right? they can already say, look, we're putting republican bills on the floor. we pass them. that is sort of what we're compromising on. i think that they have been pretty responsible in the language and rhetoric that they've used. >> we're going to get to the new congresswoman from michigan a little later in the show speaking of rhetoric, but that aside. >> right, so ...

Power, #unapologeticallyme. nancy pelosi is navigating a divide in her caucus between those who don't want to talk impeachment yet. here's what nancy pelosi told msnbc's joy reid in an exclusive town hall that will air later tonight. >> you're not concerned at all about the way that the president's base will react to the idea of an incoming democratic caucus coming in with the idea already prebaked into the cake they're going to go and get him. you guys are going to go get him? >> you have to weigh the equities. that is not the position of the house democratic caucus. that's freedom of speech ...

Of 1.3 billion that was provided last year. if he said i'll take the 1.6, would that be -- and i know that you guys have taken that off the table, at that point, though, would you be like, fine, let's get out of this thing? >> look, we were very clear, the 1.6 the way it was written also had language saying it's not for a wall. if the president's talking about border security money, we've already provided it. we're happy to have a conversation about border security. he just needs to stop deluding his followers and the country about this idea of a 2,000 mile wall. >> senator chris van hol llen ...

Kentucky primaried mitch mcconnell nearly six years ago. he's got to worry about that too. i get why mitch mcconnell is as you said pulling the homer simpson. >> disappearing. >> it's the reason he wasn't at the white house. >> had he known he would have been there, of course. you choose what to hear from. >> he could not have gotten farther away from that place. he doesn't want to be a prt of that. he has done up to now what he saw his job as, hold his caucus together, and more or less ignore what donald trump is doing. he's in the center of this now, and this is going to put a tremendous amo...