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In the indictment, they allege roger stone not only lied but mischaracterized things. he said he didn't talk to someone over e-mail. then they had the e-mails. that's an argument the president is making. you can continue to expect the president not only to make that but also we have seen roger stone mount a big defense coming out publically after he was indicted, speaking to the crowd saying as much after the first court peappearance. you can expect that to continue. >> go ahead, jeffrey. >> can i say? this phrase process crimes -- i have been around the criminal justice system my whole career...

I think they realize they have a fight against the government here, because there is tons of evidence. >> he calls this a process crime. he says maybe he said things to congress that weren't true, or he didn't mean it or his recollection was bad. but the key to congress, which he made clear, if you are caught lying to congress, you'll be hauled into court. the indictment said a senior campaign official was directed to contact roger stone to move forward. what else in wikileaks now? what's going to happen and when will did come out? how long does it take in court to learn who directed whom to c...

The -- what he calls process crime, this lying to congress, because they probably thought they had a better case. he is innocent until proven guilty. maybe less solid case on all these e-mails between him and corsi, between the summer and fall of 2016, which might fall into the intelligence. >> democrats, they have no confidence in the acting attorney general. do you think they have more confidence in bill barr, who is about to be confirmed in the coming days before the senate to become the attorney general? >> i don't flknow if anybody wod admit this. but i think they do have more confidence....

>> i think that's about right. because look at the nature of the most recent indictments. roger stone for a process crying. it is proof yet again that there is no known evidence of trump-russian collusion. this is a process crime that is an offense against mueller essentially, an offense against his investigation. if he had some evidence of trump-russia collusion and stone was conspiring with wikileaks or julian assange or the russians, he would have been charged and so would others. >> martha: talking to a lot of people over the course of this weekend, he may get a gag order when he goes to t...

Campaign associates. if you so, guy, when you look at what they say about process crimes -- they come out of investigation and might never have been on the surface if it has not been for that investigation. what he say about that? >> guy: first of all, i get a kick out of stone saying, "i think this is about silencing me." if mueller is trying to silence robert stone, he is feeling miserable impurities on tv 24/7, it seems like. when you look at the litany of excuses from roger stone about his lying -- and we could talk about whether it's a process crime or proof somehow, or an indication of u...