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You are a former federal prosecutor, this is the wear things happen? >> what he was getting at and i read the article with great interest, because he was saying whether they treated him poorly in some fashion and he lied are not mutually exclusive. it is not all or nothing as is the case in political discussions, that was professor dershowitz point. the other point was they are creating ancillary process crimes. you got to step back and look at that. if you are tasked as special prosecutor with looking at a particular topic and i know it is a tired refrain, but you had it with ken starr and ha...

Tried to reimburse the company through michael cohen and call it a retainer with michael cohen, and so there is a lot of deception, and judge pauley used that word in describing his crimes as well, deception. so what this does is to put a big fat x through donald trump's assertions that these are minor process crimes, and, you know, civil, and should only be held responsible civilly, and this is a complete corruption of our federal election system, and it was done in the biggest campaign finance donation probably in our history in the sense of how meaningful it was, because it really changed t...

Investigation, when a prosecutor roles of the little guys to get at the big guys, the difference is, you roll up the little guys on the thing that you want the big guy to be nailed on. and what's happened here is, since collusion is not a crime, and they don't have a conspiracy between russia and the campaign, the only cases they have been able to make our process crimes that are generated by the investigation. >> shannon: jeffrey anton, i want to get you both to weigh in on the news of the president is considering bill barr to be the attorney general. he's been the attorney general before. "t...

Criminal investigation when a prosecutor rolls up the little guy to get at the big guy, and they went the big guy to be nailed on and collusion is not a crime and they don't have a conspiracy between russia and the campaign. the only case they make our process crimes generated by the investigation. >> i want to get you to weigh in on the news that the attorney general has been in the job before, back in 2017 when asked about political donations made by lawyers on the special counsel's team prosecutors who make political contributions are identifying strongly with a political party and added i ...

Between the russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of president donald j. trump. those are allegations of collusion. >> right. >> yeah. i think what we are seeing is we've seen a lot of the president's defenders sort of say the mueller investigation has nothing to do with collusion, it is all of these process crimes at the periphery, people who have nothing to do with the president himself, nothing to do with sort of the collusion issue, aspects. we have seen both in the recent cohen documents and in this most recent filing is that mueller is now honing in on the targe...