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Were no other pilots on board by process elimination it comes down the captain and the first officer. >> you were making the point if it goes in this direction, the co-pilot's experience on a simulator would have been excellent given how new he was. >> yeah. look, we are now well and truly into deeply unpleasant territory. and, you know, with all due respect to william and "usa today" article is basically judge and jury from the source in malaysia of an unnamed police officer who has basically decided he's now going to convict almost the captain on the grounds of method and elimination of anyb...

Malaysia. but this is dealing with law enforcement. the law enforcement people and the person we spoke to in particular has a long record in the agency. he's with a special branch, it's their version of the fbi. he's worked on many investigations in the past. so, we're not aware of any plot to tie the plot in such a way. >> john, babsed on what we know and what you hear william say does it sound like a logical condlougs that the pilot may have been responsible? >> i think both pamela and william said the same thing it's a process elimination and that's correct. i can't see at this point that w...

With this new report out of "usa today". what exactly is your reporting at this hour on the pilots? >> well, we have a senior law enforcement official who has been involved with the investigation since day one who says that they believe that the pilot was the one who was solely responsible for what happened to the plane. they believe the act was deliberate. based on not only how the plane was diverted and what had to be done to do that but also through process elimination where they checked into the backgrounds of the passengers, they don't believe anybody on board was capable of doing such a ...

Somebody from outside if they want to. >> that's worth a dollar bet. on the off chance. >> in the first voting which was tuesday, tuesday night they actually had two or three votes for pope benedict xvi which was a tribute for him from one or two cardinals and then eventually it boils down -- it's a process elimination, really. the other thing about it is, of course, you don't campaign. >> right. >> whereas, you know, you campaign to death in an american election until everybody is absolutely exhausted. and it takes, you know, what a year and a half. this thing takes four days and you don't ca...