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Formally a target of the mueller investigation. but he has this quasi target status. there is this thought that perhaps after he leaves the presidency he could be indicted. and so i think mueller will be very reluctant to part company with typical rules that say that you don't subpoena a target except under exceptional circumstances and he'll continue this back and forth to try to get a voluntarily interview. it's also worth noting that everything that we're hearing about back and forth comes from giuliani. mueller is not going out and giving press conferences, so we have to rely on rudy giuli...

>> and joan, that's the other threat the republicans face. if you go after him. if they all gang up on him. he said if he thinks this process isn't fair. he runs thirt party. it hurts the republicans. >> and we saw somebody else kind of go up against donald trump this weekend and lose. that's megyn kelly. she did a great job. she did her job. she was a tough moderator and the fox audience turned against her when she was really a very popular anchor. i know any time i criticize megyn, my twitter feed was full of people attack me. it is a little bit scary the extent that they can turn on someone...

From that donald trump at this stage as they get ready for the second debate. because there's no upside to engaging him directly. >> and joan, that's the other threat the republicans face. if you go after him. if they all gang up on him. he said if he thinks this process isn't fair. he runs thirt party. it hurts the republicans. >> and we saw somebody else kind of go up against donald trump this weekend and lose. that's megyn kelly. she did a great job. she did her job. she was a tough moderator and the fox audience turned against her when she was really a very popular anchor. i know any time ...