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Trying to get an advantage during the testimony, my point is, issue the subpoena, conduct the interview and, yes, i agree with the prior representative, let the american people decide, process matters, procedure matters, be fair, that's all i'm saying. arthel: absolutely, that is -- i agree with you on that. >> we are on the same page. arthel: we are on the same page, listen, this is really a sobering time, nobody wants to see any -- any of our presidents going through an impeachment process, so this is certainly nothing to be, my concern is about patriotism and not about politics. let me read...

They've concluded that the best defense is a good offense. and they are arguing to the american people that process matters. procedure matters. if the democrats in this prosecution -- make no mistake, this impeachment is a prosecution. if the democrats are going to prevent us from even knowing who the whistleblower is, being able to question the whistleblower, putting him behind some kind of curtain like the wizard of oz we're not going to participate in the process. it is unfair. that's their message to the jury. >> bill: this ambassador said he is willing to testify. maybe it happens sometim...

The republicans, i think, have a legitimate beef when they stand up and say that he should be treated fairly. he should be able to call witnesses. they should be able to cross examine those witnesses. process matters, and i don't know. it just makes it look like this whole thing is more and more political. neil: well, i think you're right about this, guy if you're going to cast this on the president you want to make sure that everyone's argument passes the scrutiny test and that applies to those who were doing the investigation. i mean that was one thing harold ed in the watergate hearings tha...

And my fear is as a member of the armed services committee that we are drawing down those troops in a way that will further create dangers. >> but what about the argument that this is precisely the reason the troops should be out? isis doesn't need an excuse to blow things up or kill people. they've been doing this indiscriminately mostly to iraqis and syrians, we should note. they will continue to do it, and that the risk of american lives is precisely the reason american lives should be withdrawn. >> and the question is not whether to bring our troops home. everybody wants our troops out of ...

Troops in a way that will further create dangers. >> but what about the argument that this is precisely the reason the troops should be out? isis doesn't need an excuse to blow things up or kill people. they've been doing this indiscriminately mostly to iraqis and syrians, we should note. they will continue to do it, and that the risk of american lives is precisely the reason american lives should be withdrawn. >> and the question is not whether to bring our troops home. everybody wants our troops out of syria. the question is how it's done. process matters. >> okay. i agree with that. i stipu...