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Legitimize the fbi and ask them to be the ones who come forward for him. it's difficult to understand how this process moves forward. if it sounds this is just about bashing the credibility of accusers. this has to be for the sake of the integrity of the court about upholding judge kavanaugh's reputation and credibility when he makes decisions that will have bearing on the -- >> i want to jump on that because i don't think people are properly appreciating the damage reputationly to the institution of the court. if they were to rush this nomination through in the next couple days and get it thr...

It mean? let's put it to a great debate. we've got two great people there you tonight, jason miller and paul begala. i think this is your first night on the show. >> it is. >> let's disstill something that is actually useful from the back and forth about truth. the president now demonstrably we know was not telling the american people about the truth about these payments and what he knew and when he knew it. i'm not saying that makes him or a criminal or exposes him to legal jeopardy. i'm saying it mat wrrzer the truth. i know he can't be charged. i know what the doj guidance is, but telling t...

Answer on the president's side of the story, and i think that as this process moves along i think they're going to have to get to. i would caution you on one point, chris. that so far we've only heard the one side of the story and that's from michael cohen. >> no, the president has told us what he thinks many times. the "washington post" did this whole very, very detailed march -- >> but chris, we're talking specific to these so-called allegations that are against the president that michael cohen has made. they're coming from michael cohen, who's now a self-admitted eight-time felon. >> and da...

Have been. and i think barb made a really good point. she said we have some thoughts about what alerted the president when the cohen search took place but there could be a whole universe of conduct that we don't know about yet. i think her comments will likely be borne out as this process moves forward. >> barbara, are you still with us? >> yeah. >> barb, could you weigh in on this idea that chuck and joyce have now really raised and really raised the drama of the day, that counts 7 and 8 in the cohen proceeding this afternoon suggests that the president may be a co-conspirator, an unindicted ...

Things out of this visit. i think that it reflects his understanding of the urgency and the stakes that are involved in the process. he needs china to succeed china can enhance stability as the process moves forward. he needs china if this process doesn't work well for him to try to reclaim some stability as necessary unless china refuses to allow kim get some sustenance that right now is being denied to him by all the players who are in working with the united states to provide maximum pressure. i think in addition to that, he gets to raise his profile as a statesman, gets to burnish this ima...