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If somebody is going to try to create scam trump pacs because there's a commercialization of the pac world now. reputable one that has some professionalism or direct authority to do what trump wants it to do or within the boundaries of the law rather than having a bunch of scammers out there taking advantage of his donors. >> charlie cook, your reaction to the super pac. >> i agreed with both kurt and governor pawlenty. number one, trump's campaign is not about money. and if, you know, basically as long as the airplane's up in the air and somebody can schedule events, that's all his campaign r...

Person is not -- >> he's not. he says he's running as a republican. right now, there are two big factors ininvolved. he's been a characterer he plays on tv for 20 plus years. >> that would have lasted about two weeks ago. >> but there's also a dynamic where the media wants donald trump to be the only story. this is a self reinforcing cycle. he lobs an insult, somebody responds. and it's great process story, low-rent cycle time with the media. every day they know they're going to get something outrageous and cooky out of donald. so they cover him more and more and more. >> we're covering becaus...

Into the 30s? >> it certainly goes in one of her biggest challenges. she spent four years as secretary of state recasting herself as a stateswoman, somebody who was above politics. kind of refashioned her image i think after a bruising in 2008 presidential campaign and senate career. and now she's back in the political mix. so that's why the e-mail thing had as much traction as did because otherwise it's a process story. but in fact it went to the people's concerns that they have had about her and about the clintons in general for a while. she's got a lot of time to overcome that, they have a ...

Strictly personal. they want those, too, ed. they want to go pry and harass and embarrass. so in that sense, you know this is really just politics -- politics as usual for the republicans, and we expect it we recognize it we know what it is, and it's not going to matter. >> and trey gowdy wants to be somebody. i'm convinced of that. >> sure no question. >> david brock, great to have you with us tonight. let's turn to bob shrum and bob nichols. bob, is this going to be effective? is this a problem for hillary clinton? >> i don't think it matters for voters at all. it's a process story, it's i...

Taxes. those of us who think the sequester was imperfect and better than this deal. they want to turn it into a boring washington, d.c. process story. who is up and down. this is about whether or not the american people want taxes go up. >> some of this is is by the shut down strategy. let me play what he said. he seemed to be referring to you personally. >> if you recall, the day before the government reopened, one of the groups stood and said we never thought it would work. are you kidding me in? >> what you were quoted as saying in buzz feed after the shut down is this. everybody understand...