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Not as conservative as most members of the house freedom caucus. it was more about process saying how will we empower every member of congress and allow their legislation to come up. i want to make sure we focus on that. it's really not about the personality as much as it is changing rules. that's starting to happen. >> just back do what i mentioned two gopers have left the freedom caucus. the word on the street is they left because they like this whole process thing you're talk about but they didn't like it when the group got involved this stripping people of speakership and potentially speak...

Missile is an outlandish scenario. it's not that outlandish globally. >> not at all. i think republicans are basically okay with it. >> with that i agree. >> i think we also have the drone piece of this is obfuscated the argument. it's the notion that the american government may in certain cases -- you don't know which cases and by which logic assassinate american combatants on american soil, regardless of how that happens. that is something i think people -- we still have not figured out in terms of where we stand. i think this is -- it was transparency or obama is not saying what he means. w...

Lower manhattan and that's disturbing. >> it's a jurisdictional process thing, you don't have the right to go over to new jersey without telling them you're looking at muslims in new jersey if you're the n.y.p.d.? >> i see no evidence that any laws were broken here. >> go ahead, dan. >> i don't think that eric holder's problem was going to new jersey, it was the nature of the surveillance within the five boroughs of manhattan. there were some of us here on 9/11, right? and the 9/11 commission made clear one of the breakdowns was in intelligence and not catching them. and in the work of that, n...

Lower manhattan and that's disturbing. >> it's a jurisdictional process thing, you don't have the right to go over to new jersey without telling them you're looking at muslims in new jersey if you're the n.y.p.d.? >> i see no evidence that any laws were broken here. >> go ahead, dan. >> i don't think that eric holder's problem was going to new jersey, it was the nature of the surveillance within the five boroughs of manhattan. there were some of us here on 9/11, right? and the 9/11 commission made clear one of the breakdowns was in intelligence and not catching them. and in the work of that, n...

Easily. but i don't think it's effective. and i think that generally when politicians get into arguments about ads, that it is a process thing and most voters don't hear those complaints. and joe, to your point about gingrich being on to something in iowa, i think that christmas ad may be nice over the holidays, but he's not been able to muster an effective response to the substance of the charges against him. he does not have a well-organized media machine for him with surrogates and endorsers who are out arguing on the merits that, in fact, he did nothing wrong with freddie mac, that on the ...