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Entrepreneurs at the congress we spoke with kate spade's -- [ unintelligible ] >> basically, we go there, we figure out what the women can do well, we figure out what kind of resources there are in the country that can be made into prod double. we design product back in our offices in new york and we train the women that are already enrolled in the program to make that product. we then buy product from them. >> greta: they don't work for you, they have their own business? >> they have their own business. they make it, set the price, we purchase it from them and sell it in our stores like we do...

They are new tres -- new entrepreneurs at the congress we spoke with kate spade's -- [ unintelligible ] >> basically, we go there, we figure out what the women can do well, we figure out what kind of resources there are in the country that can be made into prod double. we design product back in our offices in new york and we train the women that are already enrolled in the program to make that product. we then buy product from them. >> greta: they don't work for you, they have their own business? >> they have their own business. they make it, set the price, we purchase it from them and sell it...