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You want to tell them to go back to sleep? >> it is best to follow christine's advice. christine goes to sleep at 8:00 p.m. if you have to get up so early, try and go to sleep as early as you can. create a ritual. transition to sleep to make it easy. charge your phone outside your bedroom. have a hot shower or bath to disconnect from your day so you are able to really go to sleep early. then as soon as you can, have a nap. winston church will power napped. power napping is an amazing productivity tool if you have to get up really early and you didn't get enough sleep. >> he also had cigars and...

Nap. winsto winston churchill power napped. that is an absolutely amazing productivity tool if you had to get up really early and you did not get enough sleep. >> he also had cigars and a lot of booze. i don't recommend that ritual. >> i don't either. >> i'm impressed you can go to sleep at 8:00. >> she says five or six hours of sleep is not enough. people like jeff bezos and sharyl sandberg stress about sleep. you stress over the sleep your kids get, but not yourself. you know how much battery life you have in your phone, but not in your body. to be really successful, you need more sleep. thi...

Hold off on telling you where they are in estimation, and you warn about the e-mails sent around in the culture, the environment. how do you -- is it better to have the frank discussion face-to-face than through e-mails back and forth because they're misinterpreted? >> yeah, e-mail was invented, a wonderful productivity. but it's incredibly damaging for culture. >> ah. >> to me, the key phrase, things get lost in transition. you send an e-mail, and you get the e-mail back, and somebody has their back up. and it's about the connective tissue between people. e-mail does nothing to build relation...

It was a brick, right? that sat in your house and let you do amazing things that you'd never been able to do before but it was essentially a productivity tool. >> now that we have all these very powerful tools, we're still islands and we're still not really connecting these people using these powerful tools together. >> apple was in a period of decline. steve jobs quit in kind of a temper tantrum in 1985. and he went off and started a company called next. after he left, there was a sequence of pretty boring unimaginative corporate leadership that followed him. >> why did you leave apple? >> we...

You do amazing things that you'd never been able to do before but it was essentially a productivity tool. >> now that we have all these very powerful tools, we're still islands and we're still not really connecting these people using these powerful tools together. >> apple was in a period of decline. steve jobs quit in kind of a temper tantrum in 1985. and he went off and started a company called next. after he left, there was a sequence of pretty boring unimaginative corporate leadership that followed him. >> why did you leave apple? >> well, why did i leave apple? i was asked to leave. yeah,...