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Now we have two senators saying he didn't do it, dick durbin saying, no. >> that would have been a news cycle in and of itself with the senators going after each other. there is a reason why senator perdue and senator cotton are evolving on this, to use senator graham's word. they also have a proposal that involves merit immigration. so there -- and they want the president to side with them. they haven't said this, but you have to know if they're defending the president, it's not out of the goodness of their hearts. there is a reason behind this. >> yeah, look, i think that's probably the best...

Majority, but they don't want that proposal to have any life or legs whatsoever. it's why they were at that meeting in the first place, it's why they were called to that meeting, it's why they ensured they had strong voices in that meeting, and it's why they're staying very close to the president now. they know that if the door opens for this and perhaps it gets forced onto the floor because the president decides this is a deal he wants to make, they've got problems. this is something that could move on a bipartisan basis if it ever got that opportuity. they want to make sure they snuff that o...