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Did what they did because we were killing 6,000 people a week in the vietnam war, true? >> it simply wasn't true, that's a figure the hard left just pulled out of thin air. in fact, vietnam was a long and brutal war, and some americans, a small number were involved in atrocities. the north vietnamese and viet cong, our enemies committed vath amounts of atrocities. when they committed atrocities, they went to jail. the notion that we went in there and slaughters innocent citizens left and right, that's a bad version of history. conservatives made a huge mistake in the last 50 years by abandonin...

Money. >> america on balance lost and that's -- >> let me ask you this, at the end of the cold war, all of eastern europe is free, russia no longer has a communist government. are all those countries better off or worse off because we won the scocold war? >> i don't think we won the cold war. i these you're dreaming about that. i think that this notion that somehow we go out and spend a trillion dollars a year on military budgets, have 150 military cases circling the globe, those are not for benevolent purposes. >> so bill ayers came to us to talk about america, but he knew -- his group's plan...

Because he broke the law nonviolently. if i break the law, i should accept the penalties of breaking the law. i'm going to call the law into question more because i believe in the goodness of the american people. bill ayers represent what is i would call the spirit of 17 -- he saw vietnam as a met for and went right back into american history and reinterpreted american history. the african-americans, the mexicans, so this became a kind of anti-americanism that was fostered in america and it became pervasive in our schools, our colleges, so our culture has been shaped by this. >> both of you ar...

Have, first of all, let's just go back to the fact that he had a very vague relationship with this person. i really think it's overstated when it's said that he launched his career, holding a fund-raiser does not launch anybody's career, it's just a fund-raiser. >> just a friendship, or take that back, the friendliness, let's take it from there. if you're barack obama, if you're kirsten powers, do you want anything to do with bill ayers and bernardine dorin who was on the fbi's most wanted list? >> would i speak to them? yes, i would speak to them. >> would you hold an event in their living ro...

You know, i think that he may have, first of all, let's just go back to the fact that he had a very vague relationship with this person. i really think it's overstated when it's said that he launched his career, holding a fund-raiser does not launch anybody's career, it's just a fund-raiser. >> just a friendship, or take that back, the friendliness, let's take it from there. if you're barack obama, if you're kirsten powers, do you want anything to do with bill ayers and bernardine dorin who was on the fbi's most wanted list? >> would i speak to them? yes, i would speak to them. >> would you ho...