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Way out of this. come on, los angeles had far worse gang problem than chicago ever had. i know i lived in both cities. l.a. back in the 1980s was far worse than chicago. >> l.a. does not have the long legacy that chicago has that distinguishes chicago from any other city. >> matt, it got better. it got better, matt. the murder rate didn't -- was low from 2000 to 2005. 95 to 2005. it dipped. it is on a rise again right now. guys, i have got to lee it right there. very hot debate. joe and matt, thank you. plenty more as the factor moves along this evening. shoppers move along after chaos. and ri...

Way out of this. come on, los angeles had far worse gang problem than chicago ever had. i know i lived in both cities. l.a. back in the 1980s was far worse than chicago. >> l.a. does not have the long legacy that chicago has that distinguishes chicago from any other city. >> matt, it got better. it got better, matt. the murder rate didn't -- was low from 2000 to 2005. 95 to 2005. it dipped. it is on a rise again right now. guys, i have got to lee it right there. very hot debate. joe and matt, thank you. plenty more as the factor moves along this evening. shoppers move along after chaos. and ri...

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