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Shaping his thinking. i think you have western leaders, macron and others, president biden, who have tried to reiterate for putin that it may not be quite as easy as he thinks it could be. >> and you're also professor mcfall. so, put on the professor hat for a moment. because i was reading some of the history some of us may have forgotten, if we ever knew it, which is how ukraine won its independence. in 1991, from boris yeltsin as a move to exacerbate the soviet union and gorbachev and awarding crimea to ukraine. is that an accurate history? >> pretty good reading, andrea and i'm teaching abo...

As it is. first of all, russians are people. they aren't all vladimir putin and they'll suffer as this crisis wears on. he's going to be fine. russia is a big country with a lot of people. it's not usually a zero-sum game. if putin sucks too badly, if russia is going off the cliff in a way that's not going to reverse any time soon, how much should we worry about that despite the political shoddenfreud it might bring with it? joining us is an nbc news analyst, professor mcfall. thank you for being with us. does the rest of the world face trouble if the russian economy continues on the path that...

Worried about the future. it's always been his deal. you let me govern the way i want. i will grow the economy. next year the economy is not going to grow and that does over time create a real problem for him going forward. >> michael mcfall, great to have you here. thanks for your time. as bad as things are very vladimir, though, he is loved. what are you doing? the dishes are clean.