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Were they well crafted intentional lies that were meant to deceive the special counsel's office investigation, and derail it to some extent. or were these instances where somebody was misremembering something that had happened a long time ago. the government presented a pretty compelling case in this hearing as to why these were not just memory lapses. >> you also bored in on the word intelligence in this document. that that was perhaps the initial attractiveness toward doing a deal for manafort with the feds. talk about that. >> something that the prosecutors mentioned in the beginning of the...

With today, is exactly as you framed it. all of these lies that the government is pointing to. were they well crafted intentional lies that were meant to deceive the special counsel's office investigation, and derail it to some extent. or were these instances where somebody was misremembering something that had happened a long time ago. the government presented a pretty compelling case in this hearing as to why these were not just memory lapses. >> you also bored in on the word intelligence in this document. that that was perhaps the initial attractiveness toward doing a deal for manafort with...

Lewandowski out, roger was not affiliated with the campaign because he doesn't have to answer to trump. >> right. >> but i would assume, and i don't know this -- they're talking about manafort and gates. >> okay, because those would be the people he would know. >> in that july time -- look, i was asked, and others have been asked, how often did donald trump talk to roger stone? how often do you know did roger stone talk to paul manafort and rick gates. >> yeah. >> i am sure they're in their proffer sessions, both of them, they were asked extensively about this michael caputo has said during hi...

About the prosecutors laying a predicate when cohen pled guilty to lying to congress is exactly right, and here's why, go back to first principles. look at what the mueller team said in their sentencing memorandum regarding michael cohen and that charge of lying to congress. if you don't mind, rachel, i'd like to read just one sentence to you. >> please. >> yeah. the information provided by cohen about the moscow project in these proffer sessions is consistent with and corroborated by other information obtained in the course of the special counsel office's investigation. that's mueller's own w...

Come out the way i, mueller, am going to describe them. and so back to your original question. it seems to me that something got lost in translation here. i don't necessarily think this is someone who made up facts, meaning whoever the sources are, or that buzzfeed got it wrong. but things are very nuanced when you're describing things in proffer sessions and sessions with cooperators when you're looking at 302s. there are terms of art and it seems to me that somebody who had some familiarity got something lost in translation. and i don't think that would be the new york fbi. >> yeah. ken dila...