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Me, i appreciate your work. this is what we can do now, political debate is a direct focus on making schools safer, what are we doing and what to do and how can we do better tomorrow? the good news is we need to focus on because that prevents events, technology and equipment if we have access control and our doors and propped open the door, we made ourselves more vulnerable because of the human piece, not the equipment. i worked with the highest profile cases in civil litigation efforts in forensic analysis in san bernardino and half a dozen more cases and what we find is while facts and merit...

Profile cases, the subway shooter called police on himself and this guy turns himself in as well if that plays out. how many hours did he stay inside the house that night on friday night? >> from what we understand, bill, the killing itself took place around 12:30, 12:40, between 12 and 1:00 that saturday morning. and then we could see him, the killer, silhouette duffel bag leaving the house around 4:30 in the morning. so it leads me to believe the killer was in there between 12 and 1:00 and left the home at 4:30 a.m. in the morning with gaal in the duffel bag. >> bill: the other question laur...

What prosecutors say are her efforts to groom and traffic underage girls to be sexually abused by the late convicted sex offender jeffrey epstein. elizabeth holmes faces 11 counts of fire fraud and conspiracy to commit wire fraud over charges that she lied about her company the theranos' technology while seeking investments for her business. let's bring in in a former prosecutor to discuss the latest in these two high profile cases. bernardo, great to see you. in both cases we're seeing the protracted jury deliberations. in general, is that good sign for the prosecution or defense? >> both sid...

Reluctance, sometimes compounded by cultural divides, language divides, intelligence issues, all sorts of things that make these very tough cases. and i to say that there is no such thing as perfect closure. these victims are still carrying scars that they will scary for the foul but there is something about the reversal of power that is a good thing, when the people sitting in the defendant's chair have to sweat out the powerful testimony of these long-victimized young women. it's a great moment. i hope it has that kind of universal effect. i don't know if there is any way to measure this, bu...

We know people felt more emboldened because they didn't see or feel those consequences. >> reporter: another issue police cite, policy changes that have allowed more people out of jail pending trial. criminal justice reform advocates say practices like cash bail have long been discriminatory against low income people and people of color. some policing advocates insist changes led to more crime. >> a lot has to do with policies in cities that are clearly making our cities less safe. allowing some of the most violent offenders back on the street to continue to reoffend. >> reporter: the head of ...