what prosecutors say are her efforts to groom and traffic underage girls to be sexually abused by the late convicted sex offender jeffrey epstein. elizabeth holmes faces 11 counts of fire fraud and conspiracy to commit wire fraud over charges that she lied about her company the theranos' technology while seeking investments for her business. let's bring in in a former prosecutor to discuss the latest in these two high profile cases. bernardo, great to see you. in both cases we're seeing the protracted jury deliberations. in general, is that good sign for the prosecution or defense? >> both sides live to see another day because they have hope, another day of hope. what this does show us is that neither of these two cases are open and shut because the jurors are still having a tough time in reaching a unanimous verdict. >> so let's talk about the