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upstairs. >> friday, friday. >> have a good show, alex. >> the very bad news for donald trump is that rudy giuliani has finally, today, learned to talk like a lawyer again. today, for the first time in years, rudy giuliani did not sound like a hallucinating mad man when he walked into the fulton county courthouse in georgia to testify to a grand jury. he did not sound like someone willing to tell any lie for donald trump. he didn't sound like someone ready to take any legal risks for donald trump. not anymore. not now that he has been formally declared a target of the grand jury's cr...

donald trump. he didn't sound like someone ready to take any legal risks for donald trump. not anymore. not now that he has been formally declared a target of the grand jury's criminal investigation of exactly what rudy giuliani did for donald trump in georgia. the rudy giuliani you are about to see is truly shocking now. but it is the way rudy giuliani often handled press questions when he was a federal prosecutor in manhattan in the 1980s. today, with rudy giuliani clinging to the wreckage of his legal career with his law license suspended, pending possible permanent disbarment, ru...

Freedom of information act, supporting affidavits in some of these types of cases. every once in a while, actually with the government's cooperation, we can get access. but it is usually years after a case has finished. and there is no way that the magistrate judge is going to want to jeopardize any ongoing investigations. it may be that the judge reads it in. well, actually, the judge has already seen it -- might ask the justice department to give him a redacted version, just to see what it might look like. but i think, at the end of the day, it is going to be withheld. we will see eventually...

Laws passed by congress, that's when trouble arises for the people of this country. >> that is the big concern, right? as we also see states across the country changing election laws, giving more power to politics and so forth to perhaps overturn the results and in some states, i want to talk about what an election expert said. it wasn't just profoundly anti democratic but potentially criminal. you're attorney general. would your department launch investigations into the people involved in the scheme to over throw election results. >> we would look at this. this is a high profile matter. we lo...

She had a russian name. something as simple as that. he is providing information that can create additional material that can be used to get mr. trump to double talk, triple talk and quadruple talk. >> this story was really about trying to drive some wedge between the president and his lawyer. it was talking about the strained relationship they had which isn't true. i was a governor's lawyer in pennsylvania. you always going to have disagreements with your client. it seems that is what they were trying to portray here and it kind of blew up on him a little bit. the president came out through s...