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Minimize gates' role. >> more logistics, event planning, things that were going on behind the scenes. a lot of the busy work was what rick i saw did. i wasn't sure as how far into the policy or into the campaigning itself he was involved with. i don't think he was, actually. >> yeah, just the busy work. just the guy who was the deputy campaign chairman and worked on the inaugural committee and then helped set up the president's

After manafort was fired back in august 2016, rick gates stayed on the trump campaign. he was part of the candidate's traveling entourage right up through election day. and he went on to take leadership roles on the president's inaugural committee and of the outside nonprofits started to promote his agenda. yet as they did after george papadopoulos pleaded guilty, calling the foreign policy adviser a mere coffee boy on the campaign, the president's allies are now desperately trying to

He appears to be calling for jeff sessions i think to investigate his political opponents. what do you make of that? >> well, it's much the same as what we've seen from the president this the past. that is he thinks the justice department is his justice department to do his will, to investigate his opponents. he doesn't seem to understand that the justice department exists to serve the interests of the public and the interests of justice. it's not simply his personal law enforcement arm. but i'm glad the justice department i think understands their responsibility, even if the president doesn't...