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Low-level crimes. for restorative justice programs to work, they can work in certain circumstances you have to understand who the person is, what is their background? how many times have they committed these crimes? can you get them on the right path? for many of them the answer is clearly no. look at what has been done in the past and look at their trajectory. that's the problem here. >> harris: there are so many of them now. do we have time in our justice department? most of it in our justice systems across the country is still virtual. do we have time to figure out who everybody is? >> no, ...

Instantly $150 billion. is that correct? >> that's true, because the v.a. has the ability to negotiate prices with the drugmakers. and the medicare part "d" program, prescription "d" program doesn't have that because of the way the law was passed and republicans wouldn't go along with that. so we have a lot of ability here to reduce unnecessary spending by doing some things that would make a lot of sense just like the v.a. does it. >> so what do you make of the republicans saying they don't see the hard numbers? they don't see the cuts? >> they're just being very disingenuous and they don't wa...

On capitol hill that if you were to run the veterans administration the way they do their drug system, as opposed to medicare, that you would find instantly $150 billion. is that correct? >> that's true, because the v.a. has the ability to negotiate prices with the drugmakers. and the medicare part "d" program, prescription "d" program doesn't have that because of the way the law was passed and republicans wouldn't go along with that. so we have a lot of ability here to reduce unnecessary spending by doing some things that would make a lot of sense just like the v.a. does it. >> so what do you...

Because of obama care and oathe measures. what's your assessment of that? >> i don't think that's the case at all. in fact, this doesn't actually increase the number of medicare beneficiaries and it doesn't reduce payments to doctors. so that shouldn't occur at all. and what we will see is that the medicaid program will be broadened and that will be one of the ways that more americans will be coming into coverage. that's separate from what we're talking about here now. >> yeah. >> but that's a good way to expand the coverage to low-income individuals. >> what about the $716 billion in savings ...

Cities and town governments have put forward $90 billion in projects that they say, from the ground level, they say they're ready to go, that could be funded this way. $90 billion in requests from the ground level for concrete that needs pouring, for asphalt that needs laying down, bridges that need repaired, tracks that need to be installed and people who need to be hired to do all that needed work. the t.i.g.e.r. program doesn't have $90 billion to spend. the t.i.g.e.r. program has less than 1/30th of that to spend. the t.i.g.e.r. program has only had $2.5 billion to spend over 3 years. ther...