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This opportunity here. >> this officer might look like one of the old school corrections officers but he actually did not become a c.o. until four years ago, just one year before the youth tier initiative began. >> me and a group of officers volunteered for this program. kind of like was a taboo thing because of where we work and what we do. took a leap of faith. we were newer, so we decided we want to do it. we want to take the incarcerated youth and we're going to educate them. you made a lot of bad choices, but now you're in the right place. because we are going to help you. believe it or n...

Range of issues. but you have to say their high poj this sis is that big government programs don't work. we've given them a ton of ammunition, it checks off all the boxes. it's a big program, took a long time and cost a lot of money and it has been an utter and completely incompetently executed failure thus far. we're saying it will work some time in the future but we don't know when that is. in that respect, don't they have a point. i'm surprised to not see more outrage on the left from people like myself who have been add vo indicating for this law, saying, wait until you see what this law c...

Will get them a job. i think it's partly up to the individual, a little tiny bit up to the government. as i say the data is just cruelly overwhelming that huge government retraining programs don't work very well. jenna: ben, a quick final personal question. >> i wish they did. >> yes. jenna: you're viewers might not know you carry a back scratcher with you. >> yes i do always at all times. jenna: why, that is my final question, why do you do that? >> well, let's see, jenna, it's called a back scratcher so -- jenna: i mean -- >> i use it for picking my nose, no i use it for scratching my back. ...

Up. have we given up on that idea? >> you believe there needs to be a stimulus. >> i never bought into it day one. >> you -- >> i was against the bailout. >> are you against lower taxes? >> i like lower taxes. >> he went back to economics, if you study the history that's why we had a great depression, 10 years of lousy economic get and lots of government spending those programs don't work. look at this program 800 billion dollars money transfered to the state allegedly for shovel-ready projects. the state used close budget gaps so we didn't get the shovel-ready jobs. that's what the business c...

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