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Destruction of guns in a gun buy back program. you feel that those guns should be what, put back on the streets? >> well, thank you for having me, judge. what we think is that when the city takes property, we don't have a problem with a buyback that is funded by private funds and run by private organizations. what we have a problem with is when the city takes in an asset like that and simply destroys it when our state law, the arizona state law, says that those firearms must be sold to a federal rally licensed firearms dealer and they can be sold back to the public who would have to go through...

Destruction of guns in a gun buy back program. you feel that those guns should be what, put back on the streets? >> well, thank you for having me, judge. what we think is that when the city takes property, we don't have a problem with a buyback that is funded by private funds and run by private organizations. what we have a problem with is when the city takes in an asset like that and simply destroys it when our state law, the arizona state law, says that those firearms must be sold to a federal rally licensed firearms dealer and they can be sold back to the public who would have to go through...

You objected to what is it, the destruction of guns in a gun buy back program. you feel that those guns should be what, put back on the streets? >> well, thank you for having me, judge. what we think is that when the city takes property, we don't have a problem with a buyback that is funded by private funds and run by private organizations. what we have a problem with is when the city takes in an asset like that and simply destroys it when our state law, the arizona state law, says that those firearms must be sold to a federal rally licensed firearms dealer and they can be sold back to the pub...

So gentlemen, thanks for being with me this evening. i'm going to start with you, pastor taste. you are involved in a gun buy back program, and i was fascinated by what i read about your program that you are -- you believe in this so strongly that you were willing to put on your own charge card money that you needed to give people, you know, cash or a card at target to get their guns. why do you believe in this so strongly? >> i believe in life. i believe that the efforts that we made here in cincinnati were a milestone for us. one of the things that is very important is that we raise the awar...

Submitted them, then i think they should be destroyed. they brought them in for that reason. otherwise, they he would have sold them or taken them to a place where they could exchange them for cash. >> all right. >> bringing them to us means they want them off the streets. >> but gentlemen, irrespective of what happens afterwards, there's so many studies and so many people, i don' i don't hapo believe it, that think that these gun buy back programs serve absolutely no purpose, that they have at best a 1 to 2% impact on gun violence in our country, and they feel that most of these guns are alre...