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Find ways to really improve these communities, not just these handouts that really haven't -- they've hurt these communities. and i feel passionately about this. >> sat down in those communities -- >> no -- >> quickly, bacarri. i have to get to a break. >> this is the fundamental difference in philosophies that we have. because one i don't know anybody who wants to be poor. two, i don't know anybody who wants to be on welfare and most african americans, this is not a discussion about compassion because nobody i know wants a handout. they simply want a hand-up. we want the same opportunity to p...

We want the same opportunity to play on the same playing field. this is not about getting handouts. >> i agree, bacarri. >> that's not what you just said though. >> i fault the government. i don't fault them. >> right, that's the argument. but we can't have that discussion, that's the difference in how our approach versus the government programs versus private programs, nonprofits, different ways to try to have those hands up. or ladders of opportunity. we can't have that discussion reasonably when donald trump behaves like that and goes and says the kinds of things that he says in front of pr...