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Their next meeting, just three weeks hence, on october 15th and 16th. and they've said that they're going to actually start talking seriously. >> substantively, in three -- right? so this is a major shift. >> this is not just a kind of, you know, occasionally, you'll see diplomatic overtures that seem designed to essentially perform some kind of talking with nothing moving forward. this is something different than that? >> well, on top of that, i agree with you, the foreign minister actually said, at the council of foreign relations tonight, when we saw rouhani, he said that there was a goal a...

Progre propaganda, and benjamin netanyahu has been talking about that, all words and all that. and up until this, this actual substantiative meeting that zariv had with john kerry, they both said a few words, and it was very clear that that was a real meeting, it was 30 minutes long. they were alone. we realized that toward the end that they were alone in the meeting. >> and that is extremely significant. >> that has never happened. that has not happened in 34 years. it's not been just a handshake. everybody was hoping for a handshake between the two presidents. this is actual real substance m...