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Border agents, border patrol and that's just the beginning. >> aaron, where does this come from? these are ideas that think just don't seem to make sense to most of us who say, i thought that the purpose of the president and the government was to enforce the laws not to figure out how to circumvent them or even to ignore them or to unilaterally, just dismiss them, even without legislative approval. where is this philosophical base coming from? >> this is coming from the progressive organization and think tanks that were behind much of president obama's first term agenda. i mean, obama came off...

And he's running on very general terms again, i don't understand why he doesn't give a speech where he announces his specific plans, although now i see why and that's because no american, democrat or republican, this is not about one party or the other party in politics, the american public would not support the specific plans if they know about them. >> mike: you're talking about in the same way the heritage foundation typically help republicans craft model legislation and concepts and ideas as the center for american progress and groups far fot leto the left. not a little bit, but crafting t...

Would implement. how do we know this, what is the source? if i'm a skeptic and say you're making the allegations, that's pretty big stuff. where does it come from? >> as i said the exact progressive groups behind obama first term agenda where he's been very, not-- unclear to the american public what he'll do in a second term, the people who helped to craft the stimulus and parts of obama's health care legislation and behind what he actually did with regard to amnesty and i'm literally talking about crafting parts of what became the word, the phraseology of the stimulus legislation, well, they ...