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Sort of differentness of obama. they say, hey, wait, hillary is like the girl next door. they see her that way. >> there is no doubt, hillary clinton is popular, i think she's the most popular politician in the united states. the thing is you all find it a restive, progressive base that is not going to want to have somebodykind kind of voice it on them, that will want a credible challenger even if she ends up being the nominee, in order for them to reconcile themselves to the process. >> michelle, thank you so much. we'll be right back after this. . it began on her vacation in europe. someone ...

Clear-cut goals. does that imply the president still moves over move-ons, cccs of the world. >> outline a goal, say why this is the only option on the table. so far all we've heard is repeating the problem not playing out why this is a solution. >> your progressive base stands firmly against military action in syria, which is the statement you put out seems to not leave room for the president to make the case for military action in syria. >> we oppose it and the rational is there's no stated goal and there are things like diplomacy. the russia reaction today shows they fear being isolated in t...

Bring democrats around on this issue. bill: what portman said is the president need to give them political cover to do this. what kind of cover could he offer? >> well, showing the leadership that he's willing to make those bold choices ahead of them so they don't suffer any electoral consequence tpres the democratic more progressive base. the president has gone on the record and said he'd consider or at least be open-minded to means testing entitlements, which basically means the wealth year you are the less men about it you get from that. he said he'd consider the readjustment of the consume...

Obama be? >> yeah, it's a tale of two leaders here, you have the president where we've seen 23 consecutive months of job growth in our country, compared to a governor who has seen six consecutive months of job losses. you've seen a president who is willing to work with the working man, willing to work with unions and you have a governor who is striking him down and trying to work against him and not willing to collaborate. it's a huge contrast. what is really interesting, though, ed, i think the thing that they both have in common is that they both really motivate the progressive base. preside...

Passed and you have lost jobs every month since that budget has passed. how aggressive should president obama be? >> yeah, it's a tale of two leaders here, you have the president where we've seen 23 consecutive months of job growth in our country, compared to a governor who has seen six consecutive months of job losses. you've seen a president who is willing to work with the working man, willing to work with unions and you have a governor who is striking him down and trying to work against him and not willing to collaborate. it's a huge contrast. what is really interesting, though, ed, i think...