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Bureaucracies and the bureaucracies quite frankly like the -- unfortunately too many of these public schools that provide a disservice to our kids. do you know that baltimore -- the baltimore school district of the top 100 largers school districts, the baltimore school district per-pupil spending is number two. only new york spends more on its children than baltimore. >> so money does not appear to be the issue here. >> look i think that there are some systems that need to be thrown out. but some police forces need to be completely revamped and how we approach education in some of these urban ...

Bring democrats around on this issue. bill: what portman said is the president need to give them political cover to do this. what kind of cover could he offer? >> well, showing the leadership that he's willing to make those bold choices ahead of them so they don't suffer any electoral consequence tpres the democratic more progressive base. the president has gone on the record and said he'd consider or at least be open-minded to means testing entitlements, which basically means the wealth year you are the less men about it you get from that. he said he'd consider the readjustment of the consume...