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I think it would be better for everyone, the democratic party and hillary clinton if joe biden got in. i think in some ways the kind of, the polling of him as a theoretical candidate as opposed to an actual candidate. if he's in, you sort of know what the field looks like, know what the parameters are. you have the race. and i think in some ways, the ambiguity around him sort of haunting this race in this sort of odd way is actually part of what is making them a little spooked. >> at the very least, it will reduce the fantasmic notion of joe biden, progressive hero. he's a pretty middle of the...

Ambiguity around him sort of haunting this race in this sort of odd way is actually part of what is making them a little spooked. >> at the very least, it will reduce the fantasmic notion of joe biden, progressive hero. he's a pretty middle of the road politician. he always has been. i mean, elizabeth warren went to war with him before she was in the senate over the bankruptcy bill. >> that's right. >> and she's taking a meeting. i mean, i think joe biden as a real, you know, life size living candidate would do the field a better service than having them, as you say, as this shadow candidate. ...

Table. i'm going to run out of time. marge, does one mistake appear as aloyna said, a small token for the bigger picture? what do you think? >> what i think is a mistake is to hold up snowden as a progressive hero. i mean he's posted online about being a gun-toting nra fanatic. he's donated money to rand paul. i mean he's said disparaging remarks about seniors and social security. i mean he -- you know i think he is not the hero that sometimes he's made out to be, and i think john oliver you know, pointed that out in a way that was funny and accessible to everybody. >> but he's for transparenc...

That brought progressive hero elizabeth warren to washington. in her book "a fighting chance" she tracks her incredible journey to the senate. she writes of her family's financial struggles as a kid. her father went from being a salesman to a maintenance man. after he suffered a heart attack the family almost lost their house. her mother answered phones at sears to make ends meet. warren argues the system is rigged against working families like the one she grew up with saying over the past generation america's determination to give every kid access to affordable college or technical training h...

President obama awarded the medal of honor to a former marine who was gravely wounded shielding a fellow marine from a grenade. corporal william kyle carpenter displayed heroism to inspire for generations. the largest refinery continues in the city of baiji and the cdc says 75 scientists may have been exposed to anthrax bacteria. the workers believed the samples weren't active. now back to "hardball." welcome back to "hardball." with the exception of the presidential race, of course, perhaps no election was followed as closely in 2012 as the massachusetts u.s. senate race that brought progre...