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Obama, when he gets one-on-one with fellow elites, frankly -- >> but obama beat him. >> of course he did. but remember that -- >> my favorite line. proceed, governor. >> exactly. laying the perfect trap. he is going to be somebody who is going to thrive or at least relish the opportunity to stand on the senate floor and berate the president when he thinks that he has been out of line. >> dana, you're a man of the progressive sort. and i wonder how you look at this guy. because he is going to be a republican. >> mitt romney i think could be my hero. and i think he is doing something very heroic...

Deliberately trying to make folks angry. to demonize people who have different ideas. to get the base all riled up because it provides a short-term tactical advantage. >> so, james, what do you think this does for the democratic base as it gears up for both 2018 and 2020? does president obama risk the party's chances of regaining control by focusing too much on this president's shortcomings? >> i think that's a problem for the democratic party to sort of work out, whether or not they're going to stay focused on a negative reactionary response to trumpism or are they going to try to cultivate a...

Media when it's doing its job and doing its job well, i would say, in the past week especially challenging trump, i think is dangerous. and that's why i and my running mate from the campaign mindy fin, we have established and launched a new organization called stand up republic to help protect our democratic institutions and this is part of it. >> small d democratic. >> yes, that's right. we're conservative you know what, jake, this isn't a republican democrat conservative liberal progressive sort of issue. the protection, our freedom of the press and importance of the press in our system, the...