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Little bit on a comment elizabeth made. you know, we are a very conservative company because we think that you should get things done before you talk about them, right? and that's the culture we have created. so, i just want all of you to remember that when we come to work every day, carry the sense of mission in your hearts every day. >> sonny was very successful in the late '90s with a tech company that sold for a lot of money. he seemed like a mark cuban to me in some ways, where he was in the right place at the right time, made a lot of money. his expertise was software and i.t. >> what yo...

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As soon as she started talking, i did a double take. >> i first met elizabeth in my grandfather's living room, and he called and said he was going to have a brilliant woman over to have a discussion and he thought i would be interested, and i went to his house and it was me, my grandfather, and dianne feinstein was there as well. and elizabeth pitched her dream of revolutionizing the field. yeah, i was gung ho about theranos and i wanted to know what the technology was, and i asked in that meeting if i could intern over the summer, and i said, do you take interns? i want to work on this. it so...

Effort if ãwe have a technology. >> what we discuss it more freely? >> because it is trade secret and you will not send an mba. >> is a really new technology? >> this is new technology is something that nobody's ever been able to do before. okay? theranos is doing it and unless it's magic it is a new technology. >> that most of their blood tests were run on commercial analyzers, made by third-party companies. so i said, how could this even fall under the bucket of trade secrets if these aren't even theranos machines. >> are you saying that the trade secrets also cover the way in which you run...

>> comparing it to the other interviews i had with other tech companies in the bay area, it was different. they didn't tell me nearly as much about what they were doing. she never blinked during the interview. she did tell me about just the one drop of blood, and it's a medical testing company. they dependant say anything about how it worked or what the technology was, they just said, you know, you will be working with consumables, which was kind of vague. >> how did they describe the project? >> they didn't. >> how did you know what you were signing on for? >> i had a vague idea, but i didn't...