effort if ãwe have a technology. >> what we discuss it more freely? >> because it is trade secret and you will not send an mba. >> is a really new technology? >> this is new technology is something that nobody's ever been able to do before. okay? theranos is doing it and unless it's magic it is a new technology. >> that most of their blood tests were run on commercial analyzers, made by third-party companies. so i said, how could this even fall under the bucket of trade secrets if these aren't even theranos machines. >> are you saying that the trade secrets also cover the way in which you run a blood sample? >> i don't know the answer that but i can tell you that ¦ >> it just feels like you want us to give you the formula for coke so you can make sure does not have arsenic. >> nobody is asking you for the formula to coke.