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He's in las vegas attending net roots nation.ç let me start with this ideological question about the country. there are some progressives that are arguing, hey, what reagan did for the conservative movement is what progressives expect barack obama to do for the word or brand of liberalism or progressivism. is that fair? >> i wouldn't necessarily say that anyone would have expected barack obama or now president obama, chuck, to be a big champion of progressivism because during his campaign, he said he was going to operate in a nonideological and bipartisan basis. but i think the people did ho...

He was going to enact public policy that would give progressivism a very good name because it would significantly d significantly improve the lives of most americans. >> karen, this is the critique i've heard, which is saying, he got the biggest stimulus package but it wasn't big enough. he got health care but it didn't have the public option and didn't have this. he did financial reform but it was missing tougher standards when it came to -- this was the argument, he's not really championing conservative causes. >> that's true. if you look at the coalition of voters obama put together. they'r...