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Stagnant. it's going to shift and you're not going to be able to rely on it when you're on the ground immediately. however, the reality is we're put in a position where we're seen as a paper tiger now. now they're going to take precautions to make it impossible now to rescue other hostages. >> that was my point, steve and mike. there's in point in saying we tried but didn't get them other than to tell the enemy we're coming after our guys. the group behind this team is al qaeda. we're not talking isis now. we're not talking syria and iraq. how were these guys different from isis in. >> well, t...

Every operation, every hostage rescue attempt presents its own difficulties. and we have the best trained personnel in the world in trying to conduct these operations. but i think we've gotten to this place in our lives where the administration and everyone else wants a zero risk world. >> all right. >> but it doesn't work that way. >> i understand, mike, that you want to take that side. i think when you tell the world that, you know, we tried and we lost twice, there's in point in it. >> of course there's a point of it. >> hillary clinton thinks we need to empathize with our enemies. what do ...

American hostage luke somers, a freelance photographer was killed late friday during a rescue attempt by u.s. special forces. somers was abducted last year and being held by al qaeda in yemen. the murder raises new questions about how the u.s. military will be able to respond to a spike in overseas kidnappings by terrorists. with me now the founder of the investigative project steve 'emmer son and mike baker. all right, mike. we've got two rescues attempts, the american hostage dead. is there some truth to what the white house says about our intel not being as good as it should be? >> well, yo...

Situation. intel is never perfect in any of these things. we tend to be conditioned by feature films and beach book to think this is a simple thing, you find your target, go and rescue them. we've had a good success rate. but things go wrong and you can never guarantee success when you're talking about an operation like this. >> steve, same question. is it good to say that we couldn't find the guy twice? >> well, you know, it's not good to say it, but on the other hand, i will give them credit for actually trying to carry out the operations, you know. especially for a president that has chewed...

American hostage luke somers, a freelance photographer was killed late friday during a rescue attempt by u.s. special forces. somers was abducted last year and being held by al qaeda in yemen. the murder raises new questions about how the u.s. military will be able to respond to a spike in overseas kidnappings by terrorists. with me now the founder of the investigative project steve 'emmer son and mike baker. all right, mike. we've got two rescues attempts, the american hostage dead. is there some truth to what the white house says about our intel not being as good as it should be? >> well, yo...