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Comes out and denies that. i suspect that the fishermen are right and vladimir putin doesn't want the official word to be we backed down, but next thursday, we're going to see who is right. >> and it's also -- how is it that with these military exercises, which are clearly not disconnected from the threats about what's going on in ukraine, and there's a lot to say about that, the military exercises and the military menace that they are raging on the borders of ukraine. how is it that these fishermen are the ones who have to go to the embassy to go negotiate the terms of the war exercises. they...

Sure the fisherman can get the word out about what they're doing and also because everybody wants to meet these men. >> yes, and that point about the meeting they had with the russian ambassador, when they come out and say it's all fine, the russian ambassador basically caved to all demands and said he will stay away from our fishing grounds, and russia comes out and the nice that. i suspect that the fishermen are right and vladimir putin doesn't want the official word to be we backed down, but next thursday, we're going to see who is right. >> and it's also -- how is it that with these milita...