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>> well, first off, north korea, these are the master trolls of asia. they have been doing this to the united states and the west since 1954. so they've got 64 years of learning how to read the united states, how to read the presidents, and then take advantage of propaganda situations when they have them. with donald trump, i'm sure it was relatively easy. we've all been waiting for this trap to spring. but doing it during the full eagle exercises, these max air thunder air defense exercises that we carry out every year gives them propaganda advantage to show that the west -- to their people t...

Don't want to shoot it because we have nothing to gain. if we shoot it and it fails, north korea is going to gain a huge propaganda advantage by demonstrating the u.s. has systems that don't work. i don't want to see the senior leadership of the pentagon put in a position where they appear to be risk-averse at the expense of safeguarding u.s. national security interests. if we take a shot and miss, then guess what? we learn where the system's shortfalls might be and we fix them. to do it only in test environment is not good for our national security. >> what about just even, commander, the pos...

There is no record of a syrian refugee committing an act of terrorism in the united states and as you and tom friedman were discussing, andrea, by closing our borders to refugees and immigrants, we give the terrorists groups a propaganda advantage and we are not present in meeting the great moral crisis, which is 12 million syrian homeless, all these millions -- that europe is taking in, in big numbers and the united states is not. canada is taking in big numbers and the united states is not. so part of being, this gets back to the question about the russians and the americans, the hallmark of...

>> we have a good many talented scientists but we didn't make an effort for many years and we're behind and paying the price of having the soviet union exploit the propaganda advantage of sputnik. >> i have marvin cal. cbs news correspondent in moscow. marvin, is there any doubt this happened, the russians put a man in space? >> i'm almost certain the russians did fire a man into the united states. he's 27. it's a great historic scientific feat. >> at that time, we didn't know whether a human could survive in space and here, boom, the soviets send this guy into space and he survived. >> he was...

We have a good many very talented scientists, but we did not make a major effort in this area for many years. and we're now behind and paying the price of having the soviet union exploit the propaganda advantage of sputnik. >> i have marvin cal, cbs news correspondent in moscow on the phone now. marvin, is there any doubt this happened, the russians put a man in space? >> i'm almost certain the russians did fire a man into outer space. he's 27. it's a great historic scientific feat. >> at that time, we didn't really know whether a human could survive in space. and here, boom, the soviets send ...