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Ultimately were surveilled by the cia in 2000 in kuala lumpur, malays malaysia. they made their way to los angeles and san diego before they board the flights ont 9/11. >> a lot of people saying malaysia not a terror center. what about the group calling themselves china martyrs brigade. they claimed responsibility. would there have been a legitimate claim of responsibility by now if this were an act of terror? >> you would think that a terrorist organization would want to get a lot of propaganda value and claim responsibility. this groupt that you mentioned is not one that has been on the rada...

Noticed this week, of course, was now that famous handshake at the memorial service for nelson mandela between president obama and raul castro of cuba. you likened this to the handshake between neville chamberlain and adolf hitler, that pacifist -- >> do you regret that statement? >> i think it was gross exaggeration. but i have no doubt that it's a great propaganda value for the cuban government. which is oppressive, repressive. continues to jail dissidents and continues to be one of the -- probably easily the most repressive government in our hemisphere. i don't think you should shake hands ...

Necessarily agree with mr. obama or agree with president obama and/or support all of his policies. so i think it's much ado about nothing. and you're right, senator mccain is, quote unquote, guilty of these same kinds of hand shake exchanges as well. >> you make a great point. this is a memorial service and trying to dissect all of the human nature interactions is obviously a game of sorts for a lot of people who are observing this internationally, but as the congresswoman pointed out there, there is a propaganda value that could potentially be used with that handshake. michael, we asked our v...

Happened in the past and north koreans have held american citizens, often waiting until u.s. officials have gone in to pick them up and bring them home. officials do speculate that perhaps in this case with newman's advancing years with the so-called confession that they felt they had milked it for all its propaganda value and that now was the time to appear benevolent and to let him go, alex. >> all right. well, we know he's coming home and safe and sound. that's the good news there. now to south africa. the nation plans a final farewell to its most famous son. funeral arrangements for nels...

Lawyers that are charged with reviewing what we do, it was not torture. i don't believe it was torture. >> there are those who dispute it, that that is what caused him to give the information, but even positing that it did, it has had tremendous propaganda value for the enemy. >> we will trade propaganda value for lives. >> but can't propaganda value cost lives? >> no, i think in this case, there are bound to be critics out there. there's no question but it was controversial, it was the right thing to do. we looked at it very carefully. i was the chief advocate of it, helped to get it set up a...