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Enthusiasm. i look back at 2008, no offense to your guy, john mccain, but i look back at '08 i didn't feel republicans were excited about their options then either. why would there be lessen thus yas i am now for the candidates compared to the guys in 08? in '08 it didn't seem there was much to be excited about then. >> we spent a hot of time talking -- a lot of time talk about the reality show that has been the republican primary process, particularly in the year leading up to it. from herman cain, cameo appearance by donald trump, the only thing we were missing was snooky swinging through on...

Look back at '08 i didn't feel republicans were excited about their options then either. why would there be lessen thus yas i am now for the candidates compared to the guys in 08? in '08 it didn't seem there was much to be excited about then. >> we spent a hot of time talking -- a lot of time talk about the reality show that has been the republican primary process, particularly in the year leading up to it. from herman cain, cameo appearance by donald trump, the only thing we were missing was snooky swinging through on a trapeze. i think that hasn't been great for the party. i don't think that...

They have been very blunt about it, but as you just pointed out by tim pawlenty, it seems marco rubio was afraid to say that himself. >> no, i agree. i think republicans that oppose changing the 14th amendment need to be a little more forthright in order to provide an alternative voice. republicans have been arguing about this issue since the mid-'90s where you had pete wilson doing proposition 187 and you had george bush in texas running in a very different kind of manner, appealing to hispanic voters. and right now clearly the restrictionists have an upper hand. and, you know, this is a case...

Michael, look, his campaign says he's against this idea of birth right citizenship. they have been very blunt about it, but as you just pointed out by tim pawlenty, it seems marco rubio was afraid to say that himself. >> no, i agree. i think republicans that oppose changing the 14th amendment need to be a little more forthright in order to provide an alternative voice. republicans have been arguing about this issue since the mid-'90s where you had pete wilson doing proposition 187 and you had george bush in texas running in a very different kind of manner, appealing to hispanic voters. and rig...

Very important face for the republican party if he wins a u.s. senate seat. he was asked about this, and what is interesting is how he tried to not answer the question. he was asked about the 14th amendment. he said the fundamental issue we need to focus on is border security. these other things are really not at this moment pressing issues. if you have a legal immigration system that works, these other issues take care of they will selves. otherwise you end up pursuing public policy that i don't think solves the problem. what's interesting here, michael, look, his campaign says he's against t...