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Of this together so that the jury has before it the entire picture. what you have here is an entire picture of deception and lying from day one where donald trump has denied any business interests in russia. >> so, carrie and ken -- let me start with you carrie. nick's point is that this becomes material, the idea that we know that discussion happened with james comey and now we know this discussion happened with jeff sessions about joe arpaio becomes material when trying to establish that there is a pattern of behavior that you just articulated, carrie that donald trump has and that that may ...

Donald trump has and that that may be legally important down the road. >> it certainly is separate from the arpaio piece, the behavior throughout the russia investigation in terms of trying to expose the underlying investigation, the firing of fbi director comey, potential conversations that the president apparently had with the director of the ns a, the direct of national intelligence other government leaders that haven't been reported on yet. individuals he tried to influence in order to shut down the investigation. that's speaking to a pattern of obstruction which certainly is one of the is...

National intelligence other government leaders that haven't been reported on yet. individuals he tried to influence in order to shut down the investigation. that's speaking to a pattern of obstruction which certainly is one of the issues that the special counsel's investigation speaks to. and is investigating. the arpaio piece is just another example of the president in a completely different context seeking to exert political influence on an ongoing investigation. and that is. counterer to the way the federal prosecutors work. it's the reason we have the hatch act. it's the reason many federa...

Possibility of state level prosecutions which generally defer to a federal prosecution if it's on the same matter. >> that's right. i mean there certainly is a theory et kal legal possibility that there could be state or local prosecutions. and so i think as a legal technical matter that's correct. but i don't think that's whereas a country we're going to see the russia investigation go. the investigation into whether there was russian influence on the election and what the extent if there was any of the trump campaign colluding with them was. what the arpaio pardon shows is that the president...

Use the power of his office to do political favors. and that's what that pardon shows. and what's even more significant i think than the pardon or equally significant is what was reported that the president did this spring which was that he asked the attorney general to quash the investigation and the prosecution arpaio. that is consistent with what we have seen this president do throughout his term so far. which is that if there is an investigation that he doesn't like for what whatever reason whether it affects him personally, affects people he works with, thinks it will get to him or his fa...